Requesting tips on building PCs

[Lordbob75]

Well said Fumz.

~Lordbob

 

[smarteyeball]

It's a long thread, and I think the OP's intended use may have been forgotten? Great game performance.

Advocatus diaboli here, but overclocked AMD chips are great for gaming too.

I wish I had the link (found randomly), but iirc, it was from one of the 'better and less unbiased' sites who do reviews.

One particular benchmark suite showed that an OC'ed 750 @ 4.0ghz had higher overall frames, but some OC'ed AMD chips actually managed better average minimum frame rates on quite a few titles. (quite significant too in some cases :shock

However, feel free to take that with a grain of salt as I don't have the link nor recall any of the relevant of the parameters / settings / titles involved.

(But for those who know me on these forums - I have zero inclination to 'make things up'. I'll post the link if I manage to find it again)





However...

Help me out here... how badass is that i7 of yours?

It does the job quite nicely indeed. It's also great for non-gaming tasks as well


(BTW, no there is no real discenrnaible difference between only having 4 physical cores and 4 physical + hyperthreading when overclocked, so for the OPS's sake - not having hyperthreading is not a deal breaker)

 

[Fumz]

...One particular benchmark suite showed that an OC'ed 750 @ 4.0ghz had higher overall frames, but some OC'ed AMD chips actually managed better average minimum frame rates on quite a few titles. (quite significant too in some cases :shock

That's one thing that always annoys me: review sites that bother to go through a week's worth of testing, yet only post the max fps, as if that were the thing that most concerns gamers. I want min fps info, above and beyond anything else.

X-bit Labs, generally speaking, is decent about providing that, but, they could be better.

**edit**

Also, I never disputed the fact that you can have a great gaming experience with AMD cpu's, overclocked or not.

 

[smarteyeball]

I want min fps info, above and beyond anything else.

Ditto. I could care less if GAME X Y Z can do X amount of max FPS. It's the average and minimum where it's at.

Also, I never disputed the fact that you can have a great gaming experience with AMD cpu's, overclocked or not.

Personally, I never said you did

 

[Fumz]

Oh I know you didn't... sorry I didn't clairify, that last bit was for the OP should he opt to go that way. I've pushed the i5 hard, I realize that, but AMD is a good choice too.

 

[Ageeb]

I think you've been given alot of info throughout this thread, and not to take away from any of it as it's been spot on, I think it would be convenient for you to pull info from boards that exist specifically for your quest and a step further, to push hardware. I suggest getting some coffee and getting cozy with some as they're all great communities...
Overclockers Forums
Anandtech Forums
[H]ard|Forum
jonnyGURU Forums

I'll try to keep this short for your sake but here's my 2 tips above all else...

1) Research
2) PSU (this is the master link! if this goes, all is liable to go. If you don't skimp in one category, choose this...)
3) See 1

-Adam

Edit:
If this was bad mannered to link out to other forums, my appologies. Just trying to point OP to more resources for research.

 

[HMonk]

Napolean said, "Never interfere with your enemy while he is in the process of destroying himself."

@Smarteyeball: gentlemen grant each other carte blanche integrity; speaking only for myself, you do not have to provide a source for your claim.

@FlaTLin3D: as you see, folks get rather, well . . . passionate about their opinions; there are manifold "sides" to any issue. As far as gaming is concerned, I would not be able to differentiate from system A and system B in the real world (v. benchmarking) given systems that contained respectable components; I wonder if anyone here would claim they can.

In the end, I have what I have for my reasons which, I have said, are not germane to this thread, per se. I, as others, have, and will continue to extol the virtue of your researching the issue and deciding what's best for you.

Oscar Wilde lamented, "My great mistake, the fault for which I can never forgive myself, is that one day I ceased my obstinate pursuit of my own individuality." My friend enjoy the Sims on the system of your choice.

Do post back if you have any questions about specific components; I will be delighted to offer my $0.04 worth.

Monk

 

[Fumz]

Wow...

To review: you get busted insulting other forum members, it's demonstrated that you're hypocritical in terms of your own advice, and you get called out for fabricating your own facts, and the best you can muster in 24 hours is... Napoleon and Oscar Wilde?

:roflmao:

Since you're such a fan of great literature, I've got something you might enjoy reading?

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[ColdIce]

If u want to be cheap on this, get a good motherboard with a nice soundcard inbuilt, and skip the soundcard

 

[johnwillyums]

+1. Most decent motherboards have great on board sound software these days so unless you're a hi fi buff or intend running an elaborate surround sound system I wouldn't bother spending on one

 

[DocBrown]

I usually check out my favorite retail spots for their best deals on Sale

Then I decide how much I want to spend on this particular built & how it will be used.

The best thing about building a desktop computer, you always have the option to change different components

 

[FLaTLiN3D]

I've found a card that I believe will suit me well for what I'm wanting to do, however how do I know if it is compatible with my motherboard? What if I buy it and it doesn't work with my machine? You can view the card here. FLaTLiN3D

 

[Fumz]

While inexpensive, it's not going to give you decent gaming performance. That would be a great pick for an htpc; not for a gaming box.

 

[Ageeb]

From newegg:

Palit NE28400SFHD56 GeForce 8400 GS 512MB 64-bit DDR2 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready Low Profile Ready Video Card

and more:

Model
Brand Palit
Model NE28400SFHD56
Form Factor Low Profile Ready
Low Profile Bracket Included Yes
Interface
Interface PCI Express 2.0 x16
Chipset
Chipset Manufacturer NVIDIA

Mostly, you'd want to look to see if your MB will have PCIe 2.0 x16 slot available and you should be fine.

Here's some contact info for Palit:

Palit Microsystems. (North and South America Only)
1214 John Reed CT
City of Industry, CA 91745
Tel: +1 626 9347932 Fax: +1 626 9347906
For Sales : [email protected]
For Marketing : [email protected]
For RMA : [email protected]

Product Support Inquiries:
Technical Support
Hotline +1 877 9347932
: [email protected]

Media Inquiries:
: [email protected]

supposedly they have a forum at forum.palit.biz but i can't seem to get it to load, also, I'd agree with Fumz

 

[johnwillyums]

Hi. Do you mean compatible with the board you have or the one you intend to get?

If you are talking about the K8M800 you have then no, it's not compatible.
It is an Nvidia card and would be compatible with a motherboard with an Nvidia chipset. What board are you considering?

John

 

[johnwillyums]

+1 for Funz. It's not exactly a great gaming board. Give us your total max budget

 

[Ageeb]

If you are talking about the K8M800 you have then no, it's not compatible.
It is an Nvidia card and would be compatible with a motherboard with an Nvidia chipset. What board are you considering?

I don't think that's quite right. He could run ATI or Nvidia otherwise, it implies he'd have to find a video card with a VIA chipset

If you disabled your onboard video you should be able to run that card. Unfortunately, your sig board doesn't have PCIe connections, so that's why that option is out. Regardless, I suspect your speaking in reference to a new MB correct?

-Ageeb

 

[Fumz]

I don't think that's quite right. He could run ATI or Nvidia otherwise, it implies he'd have to find a video card with a VIA chipset

Yes, video cards aren't designed to be chipset specific; rather, they're designed to fit a universal standard: the pci-e bus. That's why an ATI card works on AMD chipsets, Intel chipset, and even on nVidia chipsets. The same is true for nVidia cards; they'll work the same on any chipset that has a pci-e bus. Any difference in performance is going to be minor and is a function of chipset's ability, and not the card.

 

[johnwillyums]

Fair point Ageeb. It's just what I'd prefer personally

 

[FLaTLiN3D]

I've ran an Nvidia on this motherboard before.... It was only a 4MB card but still, it was Nvidia. I wasn't asking if it was a good quality card, I realize that it's not very good, but it would do well with what I'm trying to do at the moment. The only game I really play right now is Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas. I will upgrade in time when I begin to play games with higher demands. I was simply wondering if it would work with my motherboard. There are slots open for it on the motherboard, but that doesn't necessarily mean that it is compatible, does it? FLaTLiN3D Edit: Also, I don't know what the problem is, but I'm simply going to post it here. Firefox doesn't seem to display SevenForums correctly anymore. It seems to be the only website being effected, other than the occasional dead Google link. Take a look at this picture. I zoomed out so you could see more. One more thing, what exactly is a "Low profile adapter"? What does it do if you make a video card "low profile"?