Slow boot after desktop shows but not before, windows x64

[Elvi]

So as the title says, for some reason this pc has started to take a few minutes to boot after the desktop shows up but before that the system boots fast.

Have a 1tb seagate sata3 drive as the main drive, yes yes i know i should get a ssd but now is not the time, in the mean time i'd like to figure out what could be causing these slowdowns.
After booting is complete the system runs fine, no direct slowdowns of any sort.

What's been tried:
No viruses, no spyware
Not a bad hdd, been testing that
Removed unnecessary processes/programs from running, most of them set to manual if the system needs them.
Defraged, slight speed increase
Defraged registry, only a few times if it's been needed.

Programs starting at bootup:
Comodo IS
Cacheman, tweaking program
Bluetooth app
Smartdoctor, info app for my graphics card
Asus AI suite II, have uninstalled and reinstalled this app but to no change, tested speed with and without it.

Hopefully i've added enough info to start finding some issues.

 

[sbrads]

I would suspect your AV software first although Comodo IS is unfamiliar to me so its just a guess having seen similar problems with AVG and Kaspersky IS until bug fixes arrived. If you're feeling brave, disable it and reboot.

Other than that, I've seen issues with plugged in USB devices, so try unplugging everything apart from the mouse and reboot.

 

[Elvi]

Disabled comodo, pretty much same deal just a litle faster.

The IS in comodo means internet security, free antivirus but has everything you need, not running the latest version cause i'm waiting on the upgrade patch from 5.12 to 6.

All usb's unplugged except mouse, no change.

 

[windude99]

So as the title says, for some reason this pc has started to take a few minutes to boot after the desktop shows up but before that the system boots fast.

Have a 1tb seagate sata3 drive as the main drive, yes yes i know i should get a ssd but now is not the time, in the mean time i'd like to figure out what could be causing these slowdowns.
After booting is complete the system runs fine, no direct slowdowns of any sort.

What's been tried:
No viruses, no spyware
Not a bad hdd, been testing that
Removed unnecessary processes/programs from running, most of them set to manual if the system needs them.
Defraged, slight speed increase
Defraged registry, only a few times if it's been needed.

Programs starting at bootup:
Comodo IS
Cacheman, tweaking program
Bluetooth app
Smartdoctor, info app for my graphics card
Asus AI suite II, have uninstalled and reinstalled this app but to no change, tested speed with and without it.

Hopefully i've added enough info to start finding some issues.

1. Uninstall any programs you don't need.
2. Then, go to start and type in msconfig and press enter. Click on the startup tab and disable anything you don't need.
3. Try uninstalling comodo IS and install Microsoft Security Essentials, which can be downloaded here: Microsoft Security Essentials - Microsoft Windows
4. Remove any tweaking programs you have installed on your computer. I don't recommend using tweaking programs.
5. Uninstall any programs you do not need.
6. Go to start and type in disk cleanup then press enter. Once disk cleanup comes up, click on Clean up system files. Check all of the check boxes and then on OK. Note: Cleaning Service Pack backup files will remove the ability to uninstall Service Pack 1.
7. Run disk defragmenter again on all hard drives that you have plugged in.
8 Run a malware scan with Malwarebytes Anti-Malware which can be downloaded here: Download Malwarebytes Anti-Malware 1.70 - FileHippo.com
Note: Malwarebytes will have a ckeckbox check at the end of the installation that says " Enable free Trial of Malwarebytes Pro." Be sure to uncheck that checkbox.
Also, if you disabled any Windows services or set them to manual, set them back to what they originally were.

 

[ICIT2LOL]

Hum never had a problem myself with either CIS or KIS but all things being equal....

Bitdefender is pretty light on if you are looking for a free AV.

Another option is go through this tutorial if you don't mind losing a bit of the "bling" like transparency.

http://www.sevenforums.com/tutorials/11728-optimize-windows-7-a.html < Point 7 method 3 is very useful - I leave the OS and security ticked as a precaution in Startup. But the other points are as good for loosening up the machine

 

[Elvi]

So as the title says, for some reason this pc has started to take a few minutes to boot after the desktop shows up but before that the system boots fast.

Have a 1tb seagate sata3 drive as the main drive, yes yes i know i should get a ssd but now is not the time, in the mean time i'd like to figure out what could be causing these slowdowns.
After booting is complete the system runs fine, no direct slowdowns of any sort.

What's been tried:
No viruses, no spyware
Not a bad hdd, been testing that
Removed unnecessary processes/programs from running, most of them set to manual if the system needs them.
Defraged, slight speed increase
Defraged registry, only a few times if it's been needed.

Programs starting at bootup:
Comodo IS
Cacheman, tweaking program
Bluetooth app
Smartdoctor, info app for my graphics card
Asus AI suite II, have uninstalled and reinstalled this app but to no change, tested speed with and without it.

Hopefully i've added enough info to start finding some issues.

1. Uninstall any programs you don't need.
2. Then, go to start and type in msconfig and press enter. Click on the startup tab and disable anything you don't need.
3. Try uninstalling comodo IS and install Microsoft Security Essentials, which can be downloaded here: Microsoft Security Essentials - Microsoft Windows
4. Remove any tweaking programs you have installed on your computer. I don't recommend using tweaking programs.
5. Uninstall any programs you do not need.
6. Go to start and type in disk cleanup then press enter. Once disk cleanup comes up, click on Clean up system files. Check all of the check boxes and then on OK. Note: Cleaning Service Pack backup files will remove the ability to uninstall Service Pack 1.
7. Run disk defragmenter again on all hard drives that you have plugged in.
8 Run a malware scan with Malwarebytes Anti-Malware which can be downloaded here: Download Malwarebytes Anti-Malware 1.70 - FileHippo.com
Note: Malwarebytes will have a ckeckbox check at the end of the installation that says " Enable free Trial of Malwarebytes Pro." Be sure to uncheck that checkbox.
Also, if you disabled any Windows services or set them to manual, set them back to what they originally were.

1. already been done.

2. same

3. as far as i know it's not comodo that's the issue, it's very light on the resources and not everything is even enabled on it and i don't plan on going to another av suite.

4. i've used cacheman for years, thinking back to windows 98, it's safe and does improve the speed of the systems rather nicely.

5. you said this already in 1.

6. done multiple times.

7. i do this next to monthly.

8. already done that, also with spybot.

I've only disabled services i know to be safe thanks to this site Black Viper’s Windows 7 Service Pack 1 Service Configurations | Black Viper | www.blackviper.com

Hum never had a problem myself with either CIS or KIS but all things being equal....

Bitdefender is pretty light on if you are looking for a free AV.

Another option is go through this tutorial if you don't mind losing a bit of the "bling" like transparency.

http://www.sevenforums.com/tutorials/11728-optimize-windows-7-a.html < Point 7 method 3 is very useful - I leave the OS and security ticked as a precaution in Startup. But the other points are as good for loosening up the machine

Not planing on another antivirus app and from what i know i've already loosend up this machine as much as i can so something is slowing it down at boot BUT it runs fine for most of the time after, on ocation i can hear the hd go up to full use when say looking at a website "seldom happens" or starting another app but usualy it's just safe sailing heh.

 

[ICIT2LOL]

Yes well I would stick with Comodo as I don't think it is that either as I said I think somewhere back I have never experienced and problems with it.

I am just curious as to what Cacheman is as I don't like any of those "this will make your computer go faster" programs if indeed it is one of that type of software.

I suppose you have tried chkdsk I can't remember without ploughing back through the thread

http://www.sevenforums.com/tutorials/433-disk-check.html

and also (for the same reason)


http://www.bleepingcomputer.com/download/adwcleaner/< download from bleeping computer


http://www.superantispyware.com/

There are some more in-depth scanners but try these first

As an afterthought if yo haven't tried testing the drives -http://www.seagate.com/support/downloads/seatools/seatools-win-master/

 

[Elvi]

I should probably add that i'm in the computer support buisness myself so i've handled similair things before but this one has me stumped.

Cacheman is one of those programs but this one actually works especially if your low on ram and it uses known tweaks of windows that you can use yourselfs, this is just easier also handles ram, IF your curious then read here.
How to speed up your computer and make your pc faster - Free trial

Disk check found nothing as expected, i've run surface scans before too with nothing showing up including SMART scans.

Note i've run multiple spyware apps before this.

adwcleaner showed this

# AdwCleaner v2.113 - Logfile created 02/26/2013 at 17:23:44
# Updated 23/02/2013 by Xplode
# Operating system : Windows 7 Ultimate Service Pack 1 (64 bits)
# User : Anders - ELVIS
# Boot Mode : Normal
# Running from : C:\Users\Anders\Desktop\AdwCleaner.exe
# Option [Search]

***** [Services] *****

***** [Files / Folders] *****
Folder Found : C:\Users\Anders\AppData\LocalLow\boost_interprocess
***** [Registry] *****
Key Found : HKCU\Software\Conduit
Key Found : HKLM\Software\Conduit
Key Found : HKLM\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Extension Compatibility\{2EECD738-5844-4A99-B4B6-146BF802613B}
Key Found : HKLM\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Extension Compatibility\{97F2FF5B-260C-4CCF-834A-2DDA4E29E39E}
Key Found : HKLM\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Extension Compatibility\{98889811-442D-49DD-99D7-DC866BE87DBC}
***** [Internet Browsers] *****
-\\ Internet Explorer v9.0.8112.16464
[OK] Registry is clean.
-\\ Mozilla Firefox v18.0.2 (sv-SE)
File : C:\Users\Anders\AppData\Roaming\Mozilla\Firefox\Profiles\a7qvcxio.default\prefs.js
[OK] File is clean.
*************************
AdwCleaner[R1].txt - [1286 octets] - [26/02/2013 17:11:25]
AdwCleaner[R2].txt - [1346 octets] - [26/02/2013 17:22:52]
AdwCleaner[R3].txt - [1277 octets] - [26/02/2013 17:23:44]
########## EOF - C:\AdwCleaner[R3].txt - [1337 octets] ##########

And seatools just sits there with the message "SCSI: Scanning for supported drivers. Please wait..." atleast for 10 minutes and yes .NET 4 is installed.

 

[Elvi]

Edit on seatools, just managed to get it working, phew buggy app to say the least but SMART and a few other tests went thru clean.

 

[ICIT2LOL]

Ok another drive check that you can do is a surface test on the drive with

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[Elvi]

I've already said that that has been done and if there was error's on the surface then SMART would act up.
The drive is OK.

 

[ICIT2LOL]

I've already said that that has been done and if there was error's on the surface then SMART would act up.
The drive is OK.

OK well all I can suggest is that Cacheman and other app you have is having an affect on the boot / start up times if they are in the Start up tab in msconfig maybe you should untick them.

Personally I don't like or will have any apps that are supposed to "optimise" or make the machine go quicker or more efficiently but hey who am I?

 

[Elvi]

Cacheman has been installed for over a year and it's only the recent months that this issue has risen so i can't see how it would be at fault, i've run it on xp too and there the overall performance goes up.

Here's the funny thing though, my 7 year older previous pc with winxp pro, 3.2ghz pentium 4 hyperthread cpu, 2.5gb ram actually outperforms this pc on boot and yet it has a sata1 drive but that's only after this pc starts to "trash" the hdd as they used to say meaning full use of the hdd.

 

[Elvi]

Forgot to add that i've had cacheman uninstalled before and even when this started, haden't changed a thing, suppose i could set all of the services to their default settings and see what happens, will report back.

Edit:
Just went thru the services with the help of black viper and to my surprice only a tiny few were ever disabled, just things like windows firewall and defender, stuff i don't use anyway.
Guess i confused this setup with my old win xp computer where tonnes were disabled, back to square one then

 

[Elvi]

Still havn't been able to get this pc to startup faster yet but from time to time i've noticed that the themes service doesn't seem to load at start and i get a blue taskbar instead, loads later however.

Also to add is that the sound seems to be delayed at start, loading very slow after everything else even minutes after the rest of the os is loaded...

 

[ICIT2LOL]

Still havn't been able to get this pc to startup faster yet but from time to time i've noticed that the themes service doesn't seem to load at start and i get a blue taskbar instead, loads later however.

Also to add is that the sound seems to be delayed at start, loading very slow after everything else even minutes after the rest of the os is loaded...

Have you done a memtest yet? might be worth a try Memtest86+ - Advanced Memory Diagnostic Tool

Now I am going to assume in light of your previous comments that you familiar with this.

I am also thinking maybe it would be worth checking out the PSU
http://www.sevenforums.com/vip/257690-psu-how-test.html#post2130086

However I have to say that I am now getting a little loathe to make suggestions anymore because I get the feeling that whatever I do suggest that you are already two steps ahead of me - sorry but I am not qualified in any way with IT stuff and this is just a hobby / retirement activity. I do know a little to get myself out of problems and maybe a few others but it is a tad uncomfortable when I feel that I am preaching to the converted if you get my drift.
If you would rather not me carry on in this thread then please say so because I think it is much better that I unsubscribe now rather then carry on under a cloud of not being of much help to you.
John

 

[Elvi]

Yeah your right, this has already been tested and i can say that the psu isn't faulty, i wouldn't be able to play games in a stable environment if it was right? i mean heavy graphics games that take quite the power to run.

You do as you wish about helping but it's nice that someone has taken the time to help me figure this out this far atleast so thanks for all the angles

 

[ICIT2LOL]

Ok well I just do things by elimination to be honest but I hope someone can help out soon.

good luck

 

[Elvi]

So... i just checked, after the desktop shows the system takes atleast 3 minutes of full hd use before it calms down hm... i know for a fact there is something off with windows itself and not the hardware but what it could be is a mystery to me.

I did remove cacheman to see if it was the problem, did seem like it at first and gave me a litle more speed but after a while the speed dropped again so... guess not the whole problem.

Done a hd defrag again, slight improvment.

Mind you the system is very responsive after the hd has calmed down so now i wonder what the heck is going on at boot that would slow down a 1 year old system this much.

 

[sbrads]

You could try the Windows Performance Toolkit. I've always found it sped up booting once it's slowed down somewhat. Here's one article but I would research it a bit before using it..... Windows Performance Toolkit to Trace the Windows 7 Startup Performance | Next of Windows