What's your memory assessment speed?

[bloke]

I think I need much help. This is the RAM I use DDR2 1066

In the BIOS I have the settings set as
Performance Enhance - Extreme
(G)MCH Frequency Latch - 266MHz
System Memory Multiplier SPD - 4.00A
Memory Frequency 1066
Timings 5 5 5 15

Any advice will be greatly appreciated.
EDIT: I changed a few of my BIOS settings, changed my FSB from 266 to 400, as well as my RAM frequency. I changed my timings according to the CPUZ 'Timings Table(5 5 5 18)' as well as the voltage to 1.8 down from 2.2. The new picture is attached.

your ram is running at 1066, 533x2 (double data rate)=1066

dont look at the SPD tab in CPU-Z it is a graph table NOT YOUR REAL TIMINGS.
the only tab you look at is the MEMORY tab.

In your BIOS, adjust your tRFC setting to 40, and try to set you CR
(command rate) to 1T, if it boots into Windows normal then it should be faster.

other than that, try to overclock your FSB or CPU speed.

post screen shots if you adjust them.

 

[Billy]

your ram is running at 1066, 533x2 (double data rate)=1066

dont look at the SPD tab in CPU-Z it is a graph table NOT YOUR REAL TIMINGS.
the only tab you look at is the MEMORY tab.

In your BIOS, adjust your tRFC setting to 40, and try to set you CR
(command rate) to 1T, if it boots into Windows normal then it should be faster.

other than that, try to overclock your FSB or CPU speed.

post screen shots if you adjust them.

Everything I have read has said that 52 should be the lowest for me, are you sure 40? Seems like it would cause instability to me.

My bios doesn't give the option to bring ram up to 533. 400 is the highest it shows.

CPUZ is showing my RAM as PC2-6400 (400MHz), Shouldn't it be listed as PC2-8500(533MHz)?

Update: I changed my FSB to 333 with 9 multiplier and matched my ram with it, Also when I change my CAS latencys down to 4 4 4 15 I get boot failure

And yet another update from me, I'm going to break something ;-P, at 333 FSB when I used OCCT to stress test it stoped within 3 mins after getting over 70c, Just tested at 80c. Will this hurt my CPU? My fans are running, all 3 of them, and my voltage is well under the limit but my system is getting hot. Stock fan but not stock Themal Grease. Should I reapply the Grease?

 

[Everlong]

Where is CPU-Z showing your RAM as 400MHz? The screenshot you posted has your RAM being listed correctly.

As for the temps, try re-applying the thermal grease, but properly clean off the other stuff as putting too much can increase temps. You only need a grain of rice sized amount on the CPU, although the stock cooler will also be causing a problem as it isn't exactly the most suitable cooler for benchmarking, though make sure it's properly fitted as well.

 

[bloke]

your ram is running at 1066, 533x2 (double data rate)=1066

dont look at the SPD tab in CPU-Z it is a graph table NOT YOUR REAL TIMINGS.
the only tab you look at is the MEMORY tab.

In your BIOS, adjust your tRFC setting to 40, and try to set you CR
(command rate) to 1T, if it boots into Windows normal then it should be faster.

other than that, try to overclock your FSB or CPU speed.

post screen shots if you adjust them.

Everything I have read has said that 52 should be the lowest for me, are you sure 40? Seems like it would cause instability to me.

My bios doesn't give the option to bring ram up to 533. 400 is the highest it shows.

CPUZ is showing my RAM as PC2-6400 (400MHz), Shouldn't it be listed as PC2-8500(533MHz)?

Update: I changed my FSB to 333 with 9 multiplier and matched my ram with it, Also when I change my CAS latencys down to 4 4 4 15 I get boot failure

And yet another update from me, I'm going to break something ;-P, at 333 FSB when I used OCCT to stress test it stoped within 3 mins after getting over 70c, Just tested at 80c. Will this hurt my CPU? My fans are running, all 3 of them, and my voltage is well under the limit but my system is getting hot. Stock fan but not stock Themal Grease. Should I reapply the Grease?

ok, you no longer need to worry about your memory as its at 533(1066).
also your default multiplier is 10.5 so i would be running it at 10.5 to get full advantage of it.

try 320 FSB with the 10.5 multiplier. that should give you 3.36ghz.
BUT leave your ram at 5/5/5/15, i think the reason for boot fail is because you changed it to 4/4/4. the reason for that is because the actual chips used on the memory has a latency value of 5, by lowering it to 4 and keeping the memory speed,not increasing voltage slightly and not increasing other memory timing values, it will try to do the impossible, which is...impossible for the chip.

as for CPU-Z showing 400mhz, it also tells me mine is 1333mhz, which it is in fact 1600, its strange how it works.

i think the 40 value setting is a realistic value, its not insanely low. mine is set to 2, so a small decrease to 40 should be well over achievable.

and your temps do seem high. even for a stock intel cooler. when you applied the paste, was the cooler clean and it had a flat contact surface? (some intel coolers have thermal grease/pads already applied, so they are a 'plug and play' setup, so you need to make sure you remove the original stuff first).
all you need is a perfectly thin layer. i have always had good results from a thin layer on both the cpu and cooler surface, and by thin i mean THIN, its only purpose is to fill in the microscopic gaps and impure flat surface between the two layers, by putting too much can cause overheating, as its restricting the heat dissipation.
all Intel cpu's have a thermal shutdown zone. once they hit their max (TjMax-thermal junction, between the 2 cores) it will force an immediate shutdown, no BSOD nothing, no delay no warning, that way there is little or no chance to damage the internals of the cpu. it will then have to wait until it cools below the max setting before it will function again. its handy having that feature

so...i would re-past that cpu, try out the settings i mentioned above @ 320 FSB and leave the mem timings at 5/5/5/15. see if it works.

this is the specs on your CPU.
Intel® Core?2 Duo Desktop Processor E7400 - SLB9Y

anyway, here are the timings i run on my memory.



let me know what happens, i gota get some rest.

 

[torrentg]

all Intel cpu's have a thermal shutdown zone. once they hit their max (TjMax-thermal junction, between the 2 cores) it will force an immediate shutdown, no BSOD nothing, no delay no warning, that way there is little or no chance to damage the internals of the cpu. it will then have to wait until it cools below the max setting before it will function again. its handy having that feature

Well said. I remember AMD users burning the CPU out easily. With improper heatsink applied or improper cpu paste technique, trouble immediately!

 

[bloke]

Where is CPU-Z showing your RAM as 400MHz? The screenshot you posted has your RAM being listed correctly.

As for the temps, try re-applying the thermal grease, but properly clean off the other stuff as putting too much can increase temps. You only need a grain of rice sized amount on the CPU, although the stock cooler will also be causing a problem as it isn't exactly the most suitable cooler for benchmarking, though make sure it's properly fitted as well.

i think there was confusion with CPU-Z on the SPD tab page. i dont know how many times i have seen people get confused with that stupid graph/table example area. it states my ram is also 667(1333)mhz but is actually 800(1600)mhz. and i dont think my ram will even run at 1.5v. its range is between 1.7-1.85 from the OEM website yet JEDEK XMP profile states 1.5 @ 1600mhz? some XMP that is.

 

[bloke]

all Intel cpu's have a thermal shutdown zone. once they hit their max (TjMax-thermal junction, between the 2 cores) it will force an immediate shutdown, no BSOD nothing, no delay no warning, that way there is little or no chance to damage the internals of the cpu. it will then have to wait until it cools below the max setting before it will function again. its handy having that feature

Well said. I remember AMD users burning the CPU out easily. With improper heatsink applied or improper cpu paste technique, trouble immediately!

geez i remember those days, i think that is what originally turned me off AMD, even though it was quite a few years ago, it still floats in the back of my mind, although they would have more than likely fixed that issue within a few new cpu designs from that date, as there would have been alot of unhappy enthusiasts

 

[Billy]

ok, you no longer need to worry about your memory as its at 533(1066).
also your default multiplier is 10.5 so i would be running it at 10.5 to get full advantage of it.

try 320 FSB with the 10.5 multiplier. that should give you 3.36ghz.
BUT leave your ram at 5/5/5/15, i think the reason for boot fail is because you changed it to 4/4/4. the reason for that is because the actual chips used on the memory has a latency value of 5, by lowering it to 4 and keeping the memory speed,not increasing voltage slightly and not increasing other memory timing values, it will try to do the impossible, which is...impossible for the chip.

as for CPU-Z showing 400mhz, it also tells me mine is 1333mhz, which it is in fact 1600, its strange how it works.

i think the 40 value setting is a realistic value, its not insanely low. mine is set to 17, so a small decrease to 40 should be well over achievable.


let me know what happens, i gota get some rest.

When I change the FSB to 320, should I change the (G)MCH Frequency Latch from 266 with 4.00a Multiplier? I'm guessing not but I'm not too sure about this.

And I think when I took my comp apart 2 days ago to clean the dust out, when I removed the heat sync it broke the thermal paste bond or something. After reapplying the temps are back down to normal.

Where is CPU-Z showing your RAM as 400MHz? The screenshot you posted has your RAM being listed correctly.

As for the temps, try re-applying the thermal grease, but properly clean off the other stuff as putting too much can increase temps. You only need a grain of rice sized amount on the CPU, although the stock cooler will also be causing a problem as it isn't exactly the most suitable cooler for benchmarking, though make sure it's properly fitted as well.

CPU-Z was showing that under the SPD tab, but I guess that is just the chip standard settings?

 

[Billy]

Thanks to all of you for the advice. Here are the new screenshots.

 

[bloke]

Thanks to all of you for the advice. Here are the new screenshots.

ahh excellent, hows the system running at 320 FSB? is it overheating still, did you re-paste the cpu at all?

i noticed your ram has dropped back down from 533mhz?

is there a noticeable speed gain now at 320? personally i would invest in a new cpu cooler, and i would set the 320FSB as the max limit for the stockie. once you get a better cooler you can go higher

did you happen to try the 5/5/5/15/2T/40 timings? also another hint, if you want the ram to run faster, try setting that CR command rate down to 1T. that will give it a hefty boost, and seeing as your ram is rated at 1066mhz and its running at 960mhz you may just get 1T to work strait off the bat, as usually you would have to loosen timings (increase them), increase voltage a tad and sometimes decrease the mhz on the ram. but sometimes 1T can be worth it all. it usually boosts it by anywhere from 1000mb/s to 3000mb/s! there is no harm in trying!

all that matters in overclocking is that your careful with increasing voltages, the cpu is usually ok as it has thermal protection, but some motherboards do not have overheat/overvolt protect and i HAVE killed a old ddr2 mobo i had years ago by increasing the northbridge voltage a bit too high (i was still learning to overclock lga775 boards). and also the ram can be a bit sensitive to voltage, but stay around the 1.8-2.0v and you should be fine with that.

there are probably heaps of people here that can help in overclocking, but this forum is more dedicated to operating systems, so if you want to learn more, there is a forum i joined some time ago, and have learnt heaps from them in the past!
http://www.xtremesystems.org/

 

[Billy]

Thanks to all of you for the advice. Here are the new screenshots.

ahh excellent, hows the system running at 320 FSB? is it overheating still, did you re-paste the cpu at all?

i noticed your ram has dropped back down from 533mhz?

is there a noticeable speed gain now at 320? personally i would invest in a new cpu cooler, and i would set the 320FSB as the max limit for the stockie. once you get a better cooler you can go higher

did you happen to try the 5/5/5/15/2T/40 timings? also another hint, if you want the ram to run faster, try setting that CR command rate down to 1T. that will give it a hefty boost, and seeing as your ram is rated at 1066mhz and its running at 960mhz you may just get 1T to work strait off the bat, as usually you would have to loosen timings (increase them), increase voltage a tad and sometimes decrease the mhz on the ram. but sometimes 1T can be worth it all. it usually boosts it by anywhere from 1000mb/s to 3000mb/s! there is no harm in trying!

all that matters in overclocking is that your careful with increasing voltages, the cpu is usually ok as it has thermal protection, but some motherboards do not have overheat/overvolt protect and i HAVE killed a old ddr2 mobo i had years ago by increasing the northbridge voltage a bit too high (i was still learning to overclock lga775 boards). and also the ram can be a bit sensitive to voltage, but stay around the 1.8-2.0v and you should be fine with that.

there are probably heaps of people here that can help in overclocking, but this forum is more dedicated to operating systems, so if you want to learn more, there is a forum i joined some time ago, and have learnt heaps from them in the past!
XtremeSystems Inc

With my FSB at 320 my system has been very stable. My highest temp with a 30 min stress test was 63c I think. When I set the timing from 52 down to 40 my system won't start, I'll get many beeps(didn't bother to count them) and my bios restores itself. I set it to 1T and I don't notice any real raise in winsat mem speeds.

I have my RAM MCH Frequency Latch set at 266 with x3 multiplier because at x4 my system fails to boot. I'm happy with it is even though it probably isn't the best, 1000MBs faster is great.

I agree that I should go read on an overclock forums and that this should go back to the thread topic, winsat mem speeds. Sorry about the hijack all...

 

[bloke]

Thanks to all of you for the advice. Here are the new screenshots.

ahh excellent, hows the system running at 320 FSB? is it overheating still, did you re-paste the cpu at all?

i noticed your ram has dropped back down from 533mhz?

is there a noticeable speed gain now at 320? personally i would invest in a new cpu cooler, and i would set the 320FSB as the max limit for the stockie. once you get a better cooler you can go higher

did you happen to try the 5/5/5/15/2T/40 timings? also another hint, if you want the ram to run faster, try setting that CR command rate down to 1T. that will give it a hefty boost, and seeing as your ram is rated at 1066mhz and its running at 960mhz you may just get 1T to work strait off the bat, as usually you would have to loosen timings (increase them), increase voltage a tad and sometimes decrease the mhz on the ram. but sometimes 1T can be worth it all. it usually boosts it by anywhere from 1000mb/s to 3000mb/s! there is no harm in trying!

all that matters in overclocking is that your careful with increasing voltages, the cpu is usually ok as it has thermal protection, but some motherboards do not have overheat/overvolt protect and i HAVE killed a old ddr2 mobo i had years ago by increasing the northbridge voltage a bit too high (i was still learning to overclock lga775 boards). and also the ram can be a bit sensitive to voltage, but stay around the 1.8-2.0v and you should be fine with that.

there are probably heaps of people here that can help in overclocking, but this forum is more dedicated to operating systems, so if you want to learn more, there is a forum i joined some time ago, and have learnt heaps from them in the past!
XtremeSystems Inc

With my FSB at 320 my system has been very stable. My highest temp with a 30 min stress test was 63c I think. When I set the timing from 52 down to 40 my system won't start, I'll get many beeps(didn't bother to count them) and my bios restores itself. I set it to 1T and I don't notice any real raise in winsat mem speeds.

I have my RAM MCH Frequency Latch set at 266 with x3 multiplier because at x4 my system fails to boot. I'm happy with it is even though it probably isn't the best, 1000MBs faster is great.

I agree that I should go read on an overclock forums and that this should go back to the thread topic, winsat mem speeds. Sorry about the hijack all...

well at least its running better. and your temps seem nice even with a stock cooler!

and its almost getting the same mb/s as my setup with ddr3 so its doing well!

and dont worry too much about going off topic, i created this thread, but i too have a habit of going off topic, everybody does it sometimes, but its good to help others.

 

[Parker]

ah ok, forget the SPD tab, it is simply a example or something of what the ram can run at. the one you got to look at is the memory tab, that will show what it is at. so your ram is at 200mhz which in double data rate is 400mhz. which is still lower than it should be which is 333mhz (667)

Is there anything I could do to turn it 'up' like in the BIOS of something.

all i can suggest is to try and manually set the mem speed in the bios. you want to set it to 667 but im not sure how your bios is layed out as its an AMD system, i have only experience in Intel platforms. if there is anything along the lines of linked or synced, you need it to be set at unlinked. and go from there. leave the memory timings on auto until you can get the correct speed on the memory. if you can go to the motherboards manufacturers website, and find a link to download the manual or something, i will have a look through it and see if i can figure it out.

I've looked through each & every BIOS setting and I can't find that option, maybe because my PC wasn't custom build it's locked up by HP?

 

[bloke]

Is there anything I could do to turn it 'up' like in the BIOS of something.

all i can suggest is to try and manually set the mem speed in the bios. you want to set it to 667 but im not sure how your bios is layed out as its an AMD system, i have only experience in Intel platforms. if there is anything along the lines of linked or synced, you need it to be set at unlinked. and go from there. leave the memory timings on auto until you can get the correct speed on the memory. if you can go to the motherboards manufacturers website, and find a link to download the manual or something, i will have a look through it and see if i can figure it out.

I've looked through each & every BIOS setting and I can't find that option, maybe because my PC wasn't custom build it's locked up by HP?

oh so you have a HP bios. yes it may lock out performance options. so will it allow you to overclock the CPU? or it does not even have that? does it have a section saying something like voltage settings or something?

EDIT i had a look on the HP website and after reading all the online manuals, i found nothing on the bios, then i went to the 'how to' section and found my way through to the bios setup, if your pc is the one in your specs, SR5060AN, all it has is the main screen, advanced (nothing useful) and power options. if i were you, the next step is to upgrade to anything apart from a HP motherboard. I personally like EVGA motherboards, Asus are good but expensive for that brand name. the reason i say this is you cannot control anything but shared graphics with that HP board.

 

[torrentg]

Sometimes, like I did, you could find users that made bios for motherboards that were previously locked.

I installed one of these and now have all the overclocking features when I didn't previously.

Proceed with caution on this one though, of course.

 

[iHardwired]

DDR2 818 4-4-4-12. win 7 gives it a 7.1

 

[Parker]

all i can suggest is to try and manually set the mem speed in the bios. you want to set it to 667 but im not sure how your bios is layed out as its an AMD system, i have only experience in Intel platforms. if there is anything along the lines of linked or synced, you need it to be set at unlinked. and go from there. leave the memory timings on auto until you can get the correct speed on the memory. if you can go to the motherboards manufacturers website, and find a link to download the manual or something, i will have a look through it and see if i can figure it out.

I've looked through each & every BIOS setting and I can't find that option, maybe because my PC wasn't custom build it's locked up by HP?

oh so you have a HP bios. yes it may lock out performance options. so will it allow you to overclock the CPU? or it does not even have that? does it have a section saying something like voltage settings or something?

EDIT i had a look on the HP website and after reading all the online manuals, i found nothing on the bios, then i went to the 'how to' section and found my way through to the bios setup, if your pc is the one in your specs, SR5060AN, all it has is the main screen, advanced (nothing useful) and power options. if i were you, the next step is to upgrade to anything apart from a HP motherboard. I personally like EVGA motherboards, Asus are good but expensive for that brand name. the reason i say this is you cannot control anything but shared graphics with that HP board.

It's some Pheonix Technologies or something, I'm fine for now, I can run Bf2 and some other powerful games, I'll get a couple of books on computers and probably in 6 to 12 months I'll look into building a decent PC.

 

[Billy]

DDR2 818 4-4-4-12. win 7 gives it a 7.1

Mine is 5-5-5-15 with a 7.1

My hard drive sucks I guess...

 

[bloke]

I've looked through each & every BIOS setting and I can't find that option, maybe because my PC wasn't custom build it's locked up by HP?

oh so you have a HP bios. yes it may lock out performance options. so will it allow you to overclock the CPU? or it does not even have that? does it have a section saying something like voltage settings or something?

EDIT i had a look on the HP website and after reading all the online manuals, i found nothing on the bios, then i went to the 'how to' section and found my way through to the bios setup, if your pc is the one in your specs, SR5060AN, all it has is the main screen, advanced (nothing useful) and power options. if i were you, the next step is to upgrade to anything apart from a HP motherboard. I personally like EVGA motherboards, Asus are good but expensive for that brand name. the reason i say this is you cannot control anything but shared graphics with that HP board.

It's some Pheonix Technologies or something, I'm fine for now, I can run Bf2 and some other powerful games, I'll get a couple of books on computers and probably in 6 to 12 months I'll look into building a decent PC.

Pheonix Tech is just the maker of the BIOS chip. they have been the I.T. industry standard for decades.

Like Torrentg posted before, there maybe a bios 'hack' for that mobo, but the risk of doing things like that can cause the mobo to become 'bricked' (unusable to the point when you will turn it on and it wont beep or anything) and the only way around that that i know of is to get a replacement BIOS chip (thats if its on a removable socket), so like Torrentg said, it is risky, but if it was me in your position, i like to tinker and would try and find it. you just have to be 100% sure its made for your mobo and it actually works.

good thinking Torrentg! just like the firmware hacks for modems and routers. i just never thought they would make them for mobo bios's, and after all, why not, a company that restricts you from taking full advantage of your own hardware should be a crime!.

 

[Jeanluc71]

Patriot 4gb (2x2gb) DDR2 1066 Dual Channel