Solved Windows 7...why?

[kado897]

In Recycle Bin properties you can turn it off by drive and in Personalize/Desktop Icons you can remove it from the Desktop.

 

[pincushion]

In Recycle Bin properties you can turn it off by drive and in Personalize/Desktop Icons you can remove it from the Desktop.

But you can't eliminate it completely - I do all those things - but why can't I just get rid of it completely!

Since I am the naughty one and run as administrator I always have all files shown with extensions - perhaps this makes me more vulnerable (running as administrator), perhaps not -

Cybercriminals do not need administrative users (need to register to download I think)

 

[seavixen32]

If you're that concerned about it, why don't you just remove all references to it in the system registry?

Mind you, I still think you're being rather paranoid. If the recycle bin warning dialog has been disabled, the recycle bin itself disabled and hidden, what's the problem?

It's not like it's taking up huge amounts of resources.

 

[lehnerus2000]

That's the problem

Be fair vaidas. Windows 7 must come as a shock to anyone who is making the jump from XP. I know I took some time and the help of the excellent tutorials on this site to come fully to grips with it.

The 'problems' come from people trying to use 7 the same way they did XP. It's not the same and cannot be used the same way.

That is true. You have to adapt to its peculiarities but once you do it is worth the effort.

That is basically what the OP is complaining about.

You have adapt to the OS, the OS doesn't "adapt" to you.
You have to "unlearn" the tricks that you spent years learning.

Additional

Older programs or drivers that balk in Win7 should be tried in Win7 Compatibility Mode
which virtualizes the old OS to trick the installer into thinking it's installing to XP, 2000, etc. I'm able to get Win7 to run on 10 year old hardware regularly utilizing this feature (another one!).

I've never had any luck using that.

I use VMs for that problem.
I've got VMware Workstation and a bunch of OS discs.
No more compatibility problems.

Well ... I've got one program that won't run on anything except an actual XP hardware install.

 

[CreepinJesus]

[...quotes...]

That is basically what the OP is complaining about.

You have adapt to the OS, the OS doesn't "adapt" to you.
You have to "unlearn" the tricks that you spent years learning.

But this is the same for nearly everything we use... [cue wild analogy] Like farming: we had to learn how to use tractors when moving from horse-drawn ploughs, etc.

 

[Corazon]

I'd say it's always a two-way street - the OS and the user adapt to each other over time, and ideally both get their way. After all, every OS is one big design question...Microsoft, Apple, the various Linux distributors, they all follow their own philosophy. Nothing wrong with that, and no other way to do it either (unless you get to write your own OS).

 

[apogee07]

Input devices...you mean these:

Exactly. They are blanked out. The drop down list is blank in W7.

 

[dustywoodworker]

Your not to old until you say things like "windows 95 is still the best version of windows"

Nooo! Windows 3.1

CPM - now that's the way to go!:sarc:

 

[lehnerus2000]

Easier, not just prettier

[...quotes...]

That is basically what the OP is complaining about.

You have adapt to the OS, the OS doesn't "adapt" to you.
You have to "unlearn" the tricks that you spent years learning.

But this is the same for nearly everything we use... [cue wild analogy] Like farming: we had to learn how to use tractors when moving from horse-drawn ploughs, etc.

Basic vehicle operation doesn't change every 2 or 3 years. :shock:

"Everyone is used to menus. Let's replace them with ribbons."
I find them painful to use, but since I've been using them for so long, I wouldn't be able to use the old-style Word menus anymore either.
The end result is, I am now less productive than I used to be.

I also prefer the way the "Search" function worked in XP, to the W7 version (I'm not talking about the accuracy of the results).
You could set several filters at the same time.

You can do the same in W7, if you remember the spelling/syntax.
Is it "Tag:" or "Tags:"?

I blame it on the standard (IMO) MS problem; their total inability to provide any useful help, or instructions, on the use of built-in features.

The only reason I know anything about "Search"?
I read an Ed Bott article about it!

In fact that is another thing that I've noticed about modern software (not only MS).
The "Help" is generally useless.
You have to come to sites like this one, to have any chance of solving problems.

I'd say it's always a two-way street - the OS and the user adapt to each other over time, and ideally both get their way. After all, every OS is one big design question...Microsoft, Apple, the various Linux distributors, they all follow their own philosophy. Nothing wrong with that, and no other way to do it either (unless you get to write your own OS).

Remember when the buzz word was "intuitive", instead of "magical"?

IMO, each generation of OS should get easier to use, not more difficult.

I'm sure this will provoke a massive outcry, but OS operation (from the user perspective) hasn't really improved since XP.
Operations that took only one or two clicks in XP (e.g. customise/personalise) took 6 or more in Vista (W7 is in the middle).

They've become prettier and more secure, but not any easier to use.

 

[CreepinJesus]

I blame it on the standard (IMO) MS problem; their total inability to provide any useful help, or instructions, on the use of built-in features.

The only reason I know anything about "Search"?
I read an Ed Bott article about it!

In fact that is another thing that I've noticed about modern software (not only MS).
The "Help" is generally useless.
You have to come to sites like this one, to have any chance of solving problems.

Now, that, I will agree on!

 

[pincushion]

If you're that concerned about it, why don't you just remove all references to it in the system registry?

Mind you, I still think you're being rather paranoid. If the recycle bin warning dialog has been disabled, the recycle bin itself disabled and hidden, what's the problem?

It's not like it's taking up huge amounts of resources.

It's not hidden if you have all files and extensions shown.

I don't think I'm being paranoid I just see it as getting the system slim - the way I want it. As I commented if you can tailor the particular display or dialogue conveniently then you are less likely to make mistakes by inadvertent mouse clicks. After all this is the essence of program design in that you don't allow input willy-nilly. Perhaps I am too organised but I really can't see what the problems are in removing items you don't need. I have done some programming in the past but I'm no means an expert.

 

[johnhoh]

I wish more posters would take their cue from the OP, and answer questions directly if asked, as opposed to question the question.

Your goal is a fair one as even though win7 is MS's best OS in a long while, it takes up way way more resources than any previous MS OS other than Vista. Many would argue that all these services and use of resources is all good, therefore the more the better. They should burn a bootable Knoppix USB then boot from it and use it for a while, and they would see how fast a thin OS can be. Some do not see any incremental benefit in this snappiness and speed, but others thrive on it. Your goal of making win7 thin is a good one, but it does not matter what I think only what you the OP think.

I'm interested to see if anyone knows how to eliminate the Recycle Bin altogether.

 

[DeaconFrost]

IMO, each generation of OS should get easier to use, not more difficult.

This is where you have to separate your own personal opinion from actual results. Windows 7 IS easier to use. Why?

Well, it's more reliable, and it handles many maintenance tasks by itself. The adaptation takes days, not weeks or years, such as learning a new language.

I'm also not saying this from personal opinion. I rolled Windows 7 out to 30 less than tech savvy employees at my company, who had been used to XP with Office 2003. In a matter of a week or two, people all got the hang of it, especially the ribbon interface in Office 2007. See, it is more intuitive, because it puts more of the options on screen, rather than bury them in menus. People appreciate that, because they don't need to memorize menu locations. As for Windows 7, not much has changed about the basics. You still open programs the same way. You still boot up, login, and shut down the same way. Now my users can use the search feature to find a document, whether they saved it or they left it in an e-mail. The list goes on. But to suggest that OSes get harder to use is just.....not true.

 

[kado897]

I blame it on the standard (IMO) MS problem; their total inability to provide any useful help, or instructions, on the use of built-in features.

The only reason I know anything about "Search"?
I read an Ed Bott article about it!

In fact that is another thing that I've noticed about modern software (not only MS).
The "Help" is generally useless.
You have to come to sites like this one, to have any chance of solving problems.

Now, that, I will agree on!

 

[Kari]

IMO, each generation of OS should get easier to use, not more difficult.

This is where you have to separate your own personal opinion from actual results. Windows 7 IS easier to use. Why?

Well, it's more reliable, and it handles many maintenance tasks by itself. The adaptation takes days, not weeks or years, such as learning a new language.

I'm also not saying this from personal opinion. I rolled Windows 7 out to 30 less than tech savvy employees at my company, who had been used to XP with Office 2003. In a matter of a week or two, people all got the hang of it, especially the ribbon interface in Office 2007. See, it is more intuitive, because it puts more of the options on screen, rather than bury them in menus. People appreciate that, because they don't need to memorize menu locations. As for Windows 7, not much has changed about the basics. You still open programs the same way. You still boot up, login, and shut down the same way. Now my users can use the search feature to find a document, whether they saved it or they left it in an e-mail. The list goes on. But to suggest that OSes get harder to use is just.....not true.

Well said. This and you previous post in this thread would most certainly get some rep from me but I have to "spread around", so instead I want to publicly thank you of these posts.

These threads about how much better XP was and what's wrong with Seven seem to re-surface every few months. Fact is Windows 7 is a well working, easy to use and maintain OS; it's time to let XP retire.

Kari

 

[seavixen32]

If I can put things into perspective (and this is not intended the patronise the fairer sex), I had weeks and weeks of questions when my wife started using Windows XP.

Last week she retired her worn out laptop and bought a new one with Windows 7 installed.

Apart from the occasional "Oh, this is different" she has taken to it like a duck to water and that to me suggests what most of us know; Windows 7 is a great operating system.

 

[gregrocker]

Last week she retired her worn out laptop and bought a new one with Windows 7 installed.

Clean up factory bloatware

or

You can clean reinstall which is actually better than a new computer since most are larded with sponsors' bloatware: Reinstalling Windows 7

(Sorry can't help myself!)

 

[seavixen32]

:roflmao::roflmao::roflmao:

 

[KathleenR]

Be fair vaidas. Windows 7 must come as a shock to anyone who is making the jump from XP. I know I took some time and the help of the excellent tutorials on this site to come fully to grips with it.

The 'problems' come from people trying to use 7 the same way they did XP. It's not the same and cannot be used the same way.

That is true. You have to adapt to its peculiarities but once you do it is worth the effort.

Worth the effort? I'm so tired of learning a new operating system with each new computer. My desktop has Vista Home. This laptop has Win 7 which is missing so much I can't begin to foam at the mouth.

 

[gregrocker]

Is this a new laptop, Kathleen? Clean up factory bloatware

Can you tell us what are the problems specifically, no foam?