Windows 7 x64 vs Windows 7 x86 (Fight)

[Snufffed]

If your mobo is only ATA - IDE, there are adapters that will modify the FASTER SATA HDDs, so they will work on the ATA mobos. ATA if you add a P=PATA which almost all mobos are, the diff is SATA will only take 1 S ATA HDD per connection. where PATA will take 2 ATA HDDs per.
I have been beta testing the old ATA addon PCI Card, which will if PATA HDDs add 4, but as SATA will add only 2 HDDs.

The Card I use is the older Promise ATA(Windows Vista Promise Ultra100 (tm) IDE Controller)(Driver= 2.1.0.3) quite old but still works very well with Win 7 7264. This allows 2 fast SATA HDDs. So even the old PATA HDD mobos only will accept the new faster SATA HDD,s with NO Problems.

I do hope this helps.

 

[Blackhawk7188]

I have found this discussion very interesting but must admitt to not understanding 1/3rd of it. Bottom line for me is how do I find faster HDs? I am not sure I am interested in going with SCSI because I would have to change MoBo's.

Thanks for the help.

What do you mean by a Faster HDD? If you mean in RPM then upgrade to a faster RPM like a 7200 or a 10000. If you mean data transfer...as of now SATA is kind of the standard to work with(300 Mb/s). If you are using IDE(100Mb/s) then you are going to be slower in data tranfer speeds. The best you can test now would a Solid State Drive. They are really good but have a setback of if you write to it too many times you can destroy it. They are still connected via SATA so the gain of a faster internal drive given same tranfer speeds if your choice.

If you dont have a SATA connector for your MOBO and you are still using IDE. The only thing you can do is change your motherboard. Using an in-line converter wont help your data speeds...you would still run at 100Mb/s approx.

 

[Snufffed]

Blackhawk, your right also. but since we have no specs to what he has, both are DUH simply guessing at what we think is the best for him.
Sure would be nice to have the SPECs of CPU, mobo, memory, etc etc. then we could really help. Some time i suggest ppl get the faster HDDs not because they will actually make thing faster, they are simply cheaper and work better, and will work with the new mobs better.
Gads old small IDE Hdds cost more the bigger faster Satas. so the Adapter Kits are a nice method to do.
maybe he will SPEC up so we can assist better. Remeber he said:

: Originally Posted by Gbsnplr
I have found this discussion very interesting but must admitt to not understanding 1/3rd of it. Bottom line for me is how do I find faster HDs?

 

[fakeasdf]

Buy one of these SSD's...

Patriot Torqx 128GB SSD
OCZ Vertex 120GB v.1.1

or one of the Intel SSD's, but they are super expensive

Be careful buying an SSD, there were plenty of issues with most of the original SSD's due to the way that it was erasing data (The smallest amount of data that could be deleted at once is a page or 512 KB), whereas it could write spots as small as 4KB. So when it wanted to overwrite an 4KB spot it would have to move the whole page into cache, replace the spot it wanted to write to and then erase the page and move the cached page back into memory. It is all interesting and what not, read this article if you want to know more about it...

AnandTech: The SSD Anthology: Understanding SSDs and New Drives from OCZ

 

[mushroomboy]

I am so glad you took the time to answer the questions though, in truth, starting with the first post in this thread they were already answered.

I would simply add, "Why put a 2 barrel carburetor on a 454 big block?"

But in full disclosure I was not a proponent of Vista 64 bit for the "average" home user. Too many driver issues at the time of release....

I want a quad carb!!! Where is my quad carb!!!! I saw that and had to say something, worked with a guy who had a quad carb on his pickup, beastly thing. Either way why the hell are you using a 454 for every day use, isn't that overkill? lol

 

[Muad Dib]

I want a quad carb!!! Where is my quad carb!!!! I saw that and had to say something, worked with a guy who had a quad carb on his pickup, beastly thing. Either way why the hell are you using a 454 for every day use, isn't that overkill? lol

'Cuz I'm an 'Merican, that's why! You'll take ma 4-barrel street-stomper from me when you prys it frum ma cold dead hands! :sarc:

 

[Gbsnplr]

I have SATA now. And thanks for all the input.

 

[Ben1]

My laptop is x64 compatible but I just didn't see the benefits.

I put x64 Ultimate on but went back to x86 because there's less compatibly and I just understand why is was better.

Ben.

 

[fakeasdf]

My laptop is x64 compatible but I just didn't see the benefits.

I put x64 Ultimate on but went back to x86 because there's less compatibly and I just understand why is was better.

Ben.

I assume you mean less compatibility issues. Was there something in particular that didn't work in x64, or did you just feel like/think there was less compatibility?

 

[Sven]

I'm running win7 x64, and I'm very happy with it. I, on the other hand, have a friend with Core i7, 3Gb ram, 2x ATI 4870 in crossfire, and he won't run x64, because he can't get Windows Mail to work on x64. I have showed him the guide in this forum, and he tried a hole night, but without succes.
I don't know Windows mail myself, but what is the difference between Windows Mail (Vista) and Windows Live mail (as I use in Windows 7)?

When RC was new, I brought a Intel X25-M SSD to use as system disk, and just like the OP, I saw that x64 was slower to install than x86, but faster in all other stuff, especially on boot after Office 2007, Virus (Kaspersky 2009 IS), games, Nero and Paint shop pro was installed. Now I'm running 7264, x64 (have not tried x86 since RC), and I'm very happy with it. But I got some concern about rtm, as people are writing about more and more crashes in x64 RTM.
So when released, witch will be most STABLE, x86 or x64?

 

[fakeasdf]

Ditto... The only thing that might possibly differ would be if some driver had an issue in either version versus the other. Most drivers won't be seeing issues such as these, seeing as a lot of companies aren't really writing 64 bit drivers, but writing 64 bit wrapper classes around the 32 bit drivers, or compiling the exact same code for 64 bit. It's kind of hard to screw up a wrapper class So although there is some possibility of something screwing up in both of these places, it's becoming more unlikely, especially with the power of compilers and dev environments. They are extremely good at pointing out possible issues that could arise between x86 and x64.

 

[Muad Dib]

I'm running win7 x64, and I'm very happy with it. I, on the other hand, have a friend with Core i7, 3Gb ram, 2x ATI 4870 in crossfire, and he won't run x64, because he can't get Windows Mail to work on x64. I have showed him the guide in this forum, and he tried a hole night, but without succes.
I don't know Windows mail myself, but what is the difference between Windows Mail (Vista) and Windows Live mail (as I use in Windows 7)?

Windows Mail is a CLIENT application provided with Vista intended as a replacement for Outlook Express. Primarily serves as a POP client.

Windows Live Mail is the mail component of the Windows Live suite and provides a IMAP compliant service as well as the client component for desktops, etc. Windows Live Mail allows for a users mail, contacts and calendars to be accessed and synchronized from the desktop client, any pc with Internet access and mobile devices such as Blackberrys. It is intended as the replacement for WINDOWS MAIL. Outlook 2003 and 2007 users can integrate Windows Live Mail access using the Outlook Connector. It allows the the familiar Outlook features set with Live Mail's remote access and synchronization.

There are a plethora of MS publications and help with Windows Live Mail. Use Google for your reading pleasure.

I will be switching all OE users directly to Windows Live Mail. The "Windows Mail" is nothing more that OE with a different name, IMO.

P.S. MS REALLY introduced confusion with the names "Windows Mail" and "Windows Live Mail". The latter is now referred to as "Windows Live Hotmail" because a common question was "What about my Hotmail?". It seems the original Hotmail has been morphed into Windows Live Hotmail.

Please don't start a flame over which came first.... chicken or egg. I eat both anyway.

 

[fakeasdf]

it was the egg...

 

[dgwin7]

I say x64 is the future of today...

Pro
===

Can address more than 4GB ram.

Required digitally signature drivers mean more stable than 32bit.

Con
===

32 bit is outdated.

32 bit can't see more than 4GB no matter what.

Plenty 64 bit stuff link at 64bit and x64 - Home.

What are you waiting for x64 ? x64 is now growing strong and postive future.

Just my 2 cents.

dg

 

[fakeasdf]

Reminds me of Southpark... Terrible show, but the evolution episode is super funny...

I say x64 is the future of today...

Pro
===

Can address more than 4GB ram.

Required digitally signature drivers mean more stable than 32bit.

Con
===

32 bit is outdated.

32 bit can't see more than 4GB no matter what.

Plenty 64 bit stuff link at 64bit and x64 - Home.

What are you waiting for x64 ? x64 is now growing strong and postive future.

Just my 2 cents.

dg

I like the "future of today" part

 

[fakeasdf]

"32 bit is outdated" - the past of tomorrow

The sad thing is that statement is true..

 

[fakeasdf]

But it probably could be shifted to a 64 bit world. In fact, you could probably create yet another layer of abstraction and put yourself into a 64 bit world with continued access to a 32 bit world (if needed) - where your source of income derived from. But, I really don't know what your job is... So, I have no idea

All problems in computer science can be solved by another level of indirection. - David Wheeler

Most people will state the quote like so

All problems in computer science can be solved by another level of abstraction.

 

[DJG]

All problems in Computer Science can be attributed to one or another layer of Abstracted Indirection ...

Not really. It's the difference between pure science and applied science. Almost all of my income is derived from the "32-bit world".

You would not deprive my children of food and clothes, would you?

Most of my income was derived from a 2-bit world ... when I had one .

 

[lastelement0]

This may be off topic, but i couldnt create a new thread.

I was just browsing newegg.com and there appears to be a pretty good deal out there. If you purchase a copy of Windows Vista, you are eligible for a free copy of Windows 7. If its the retail disk or upgrade disk i do not know but if it's the retail disk, you can save $130 on the ultimate version. if its the upgrade its still 30 bucks cheaper than getting the Upgrade disk by itself.


here's the link.

Newegg.com - Buy Windows Vista Now and Upgrade to Windows 7 for Free Later

 

[bobtran]

X64 and no going back

I waited for SP1 before upgrading to Vista and had to make the x86 vs x64 decision before purchasing as I was getting an OEM version. I ultimately decided to get the x64 version and I have not been sorry. There were some driver issues but only because of the drivers included in the OEM DVD. I found that when a driver was incompatible that I was prompted by Vista to get the updated x64 driver and have not found any applications that I couldn't get working on the x64 version. My games have performed very well although I did have an issue with "Crysis" at first. Finally figured out to create a shortcup to the x64 executable in the game folder and set it to run as admin. This stopped the error and allowed me to play my "Crysis" game. Haven't found any other issues since I upgraded.

When I decided to test Win7 I of course installed the x64 version and have not experienced a single driver issue. I have been using my Win7 RC as my primary OS since and have been extremely pleased with the quality of the build.

I am recommending the x64 version to everyone that I help/support here which is quite a few people and everyone who has purchased x64 machines has been more that pleased with the choice.

IMHO Win7 x64 is everything that we were lead to believe Vista would be and more. Even machines with only 2gb ram seem to run better on x64 than x86. I will definitely be upgrading all my machines that are capable to Win7 x64 as soon as it becomes available which for an old IT Professional like me is saying alot because the "Bleeding edge" is simply not an option. This time I will not be waiting for SP1 as Win7 is far more stable and performs better than Vista even in the Release Candidate stage. Really looking forward to Oct 22.