KB3083324 Any Info please

Lady Fitzgerald · Sep 10, 2015

UsernameIssues said:
Lady Fitzgerald said:

The nonsense MSpy has been pulling lately has ensured that, unless MSpy changes its present course back to the direction it had been on when Win 7 and Office 2010 came out, Win 7 and Office 2010 will be the last MS products I will ever use. I doubt I am alone in my feelings and that will most likely cost MSpy in the long run.

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I concur that you are not alone in your feelings. I could be wrong in my estimate that the number of people that will (or can) stop using MS software is insignificant. The good news is: my estimate means nothing. It is just an opinion.

Businesses are a huge portion of MSpy's customer base. I seriously doubt they are going to be very receptive to MSpy's spyware.

NoelDP · Sep 10, 2015

THERE IS NO SPYWARE - you can disable 99% of it by not signing up for the Customer Experience program (or whatever this week's name for it is).

Layback Bear · Sep 10, 2015

As far as I know I haven't signed up for any Customer Experience program but that might be a KB that slipped in without my knowledge.

Does this Customer Experience program by chance have a KB number?

derekimo · Sep 10, 2015

Layback Bear said:
As far as I know I haven't signed up for any Customer Experience program but that might be a KB that slipped in without my knowledge.

Does this Customer Experience program by chance have a KB number?

http://www.sevenforums.com/tutorials/124801-customer-experience-improvement-program-join-unjoin.html

Layback Bear · Sep 10, 2015

Thanks Derek. I check and it's off.
Now I have to keep checking it to see if a sneaky Update turns in back on.

groze · Sep 10, 2015

UsernameIssues said:
On the other side of the coin:

There are users and companies that are intentionally allowing all Windows 7 telemetry to be gathered in the hopes of creating a better Windows product line.

Microsoft owns the operating system. They can do whatever they want with it* (within applicable laws). You are only licensed to use Microsoft's operating system.

*sure MS can upset some users. Doing so has not significantly hurt their market share - yet.

UserNameissues,
That is like changing a rule in the middle of the game. You don't do that. You buy a devices to use the operating system with the current eula, not with what the eula will be years later. Just my opinion.

I do have KB3083324 installed. No issues that I am aware of. I don't have a monitoring program to see if KB3083324 is contacting Microsoft for telemetry. Anybody know a good free monitoring programs for windows 7 to see if it contacts Microsoft when not using Microsoft services?

Callender · Sep 10, 2015

Peronally I removed KB3083324 and replaced with KB3075851. Note: My choice and not recommended for everyone.

RE: CEIP.

Note: Personal choices again.

Check Task Scheduler> Microsoft>

CEIP - disable everything listed
Application Experience - disable
AutoChk - disable

groze · Sep 10, 2015

Callender said:
Peronally I removed KB3083324 and replaced with KB3075851. Note: My choice and not recommended for everyone.

RE: CEIP.

Note: Personal choices again.

Check Task Scheduler> Microsoft>

CEIP - disable everything listed
Application Experience - disable
AutoChk - disable

Callender
Just in case I decided to remove that.

How did you uninstall that & install KB3083324?

Did you do it from the windows 7 powershell?

Lady Fitzgerald · Sep 10, 2015

NoelDP said:
THERE IS NO SPYWARE - you can disable 99% of it by not signing up for the Customer Experience program (or whatever this week's name for it is).

Seriously? That IS spyware.

Callender · Sep 10, 2015

groze said:
Callender said:

Peronally I removed KB3083324 and replaced with KB3075851. Note: My choice and not recommended for everyone.

RE: CEIP.

Note: Personal choices again.

Check Task Scheduler> Microsoft>

CEIP - disable everything listed
Application Experience - disable
AutoChk - disable

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Callender
Just in case I decided to remove that.

How did you uninstall that & install KB3083324?

Did you do it from the windows 7 powershell?

Well here's what I did:

Elevated Command Prompt > Powershell:

wusa /uninstall /kb:3083324

Uninstalled then disconnected from internet.

Rebooted.

Ran Advanced Disk Cleanup (including WU cleanup)

Rebooted.

Let windows check for updates using the rolled back version of WU Client.

Hid unwanted updates. Didn't install any others.

Rebooted.

Using IE - downloaded 3075851

https://catalog.update.microsoft.com/v7/site/Search.aspx?q=3075851

Forgot a step - see Editbelow

Installed it using this command:

"Full Path to installer" /wuforce

So in my case:

Code:

"C:\Users\Chris\Desktop\Update for Windows 7 for x64-based Systems (KB3075851)\AMD64-all-windows6.1-kb3075851-x64_5a748d6f403e548c985c81778c1c8e5967bf7c58.msu" /wuforce

Reboot:

Configure WU settings.

Reboot:

Check for updates.

Edit: Before installing 3075851 stopped BITS and WU Service.

UsernameIssues · Sep 10, 2015

groze said:
UsernameIssues said:

On the other side of the coin:

There are users and companies that are intentionally allowing all Windows 7 telemetry to be gathered in the hopes of creating a better Windows product line.

Microsoft owns the operating system. They can do whatever they want with it* (within applicable laws). You are only licensed to use Microsoft's operating system.

*sure MS can upset some users. Doing so has not significantly hurt their market share - yet.

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UserNameissues,
That is like changing a rule in the middle of the game. You don't do that. You buy a devices to use the operating system with the current eula, not with what the eula will be years later. Just my opinion.

I do have KB3083324 installed. No issues that I am aware of. I don't have a monitoring program to see if KB3083324 is contacting Microsoft for telemetry. Anybody know a good free monitoring programs for windows 7 to see if it contacts Microsoft when not using Microsoft services?

Take a look at the EULA that you agreed to. Specifically section 7 where you agreed to allow the KB being discussed here to be installed without notification. Also, that entire section is subject to change:

7. INTERNET-BASED SERVICES. Microsoft provides Internet-based services with the software. It may change or cancel them at any time.

· Windows Update. To enable the proper functioning of the Windows Update service in the software (if you use it), updates or downloads to the Windows Update service will be required from time to time and downloaded and installed without further notice to you.

...but I'm not a lawyer

UsernameIssues · Sep 10, 2015

Layback Bear said:
UsernameIssues said:

Layback Bear said:

I would suggest their would be less tin foil hats if Microsoft gave complete description of all Updates.

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You are correct; however, I doubt that documenting/explaining the updates creates revenue. Given the choice between spending money on better documentation and spending it on better testing before releasing it to the public, I'll pick the later every time

Looking into my crystal ball, I foresee less and less documentation on the horizon... or maybe it is just cataracts.

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I see no reason M/S can't spend money on both documentation of KB's and testing.
Because of M/S new methods of doing Updates we need information. We/I can no longer trust M/S on such matters.

They can indeed do both - but my preference was to spend all of that money* on testing. A well documented bad update is still a bad update.

*the issue is moot since it seems that more documentation does not cost more: Painter

cm4coc · Sep 11, 2015

I can assure you all these updates to the Windows update agent are legit and I would recommend you all apply them to improve efficiency of the Windows update agent. Around 5-6 months ago a bug in the Windows update agent caused windows update scans to crash on 90% of machines in our enterprise environment resulting in none being able to be patched. We were not the only ones and these WUA releases are Microsoft's fix to the issue. It mostly affected 32-bit Win 7 clients running out of memory because of 32-bit limitations with memory addressing but the improvements in these updates do speed things up and improve scan efficiency for 64-bit clients as well.

Lady Fitzgerald · Sep 11, 2015

cm4coc said:
I can assure you all these updates to the Windows update agent are legit and I would recommend you all apply them to improve efficiency of the Windows update agent. Around 5-6 months ago a bug in the Windows update agent caused windows update scans to crash on 90% of machines in our enterprise environment resulting in none being able to be patched. We were not the only ones and these WUA releases are Microsoft's fix to the issue. It mostly affected 32-bit Win 7 clients running out of memory because of 32-bit limitations with memory addressing but the improvements in these updates do speed things up and improve scan efficiency for 64-bit clients as well.

And we should take your word for it why?

cm4coc · Sep 11, 2015

Lady Fitzgerald said:
cm4coc said:

I can assure you all these updates to the Windows update agent are legit and I would recommend you all apply them to improve efficiency of the Windows update agent. Around 5-6 months ago a bug in the Windows update agent caused windows update scans to crash on 90% of machines in our enterprise environment resulting in none being able to be patched. We were not the only ones and these WUA releases are Microsoft's fix to the issue. It mostly affected 32-bit Win 7 clients running out of memory because of 32-bit limitations with memory addressing but the improvements in these updates do speed things up and improve scan efficiency for 64-bit clients as well.

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And we should take your word for it why?

You can believe me or not I'm just trying to help clear up the confusion based on what I know to be the reason for these updates

cm4coc · Sep 11, 2015

cm4coc said:
Lady Fitzgerald said:

cm4coc said:

I can assure you all these updates to the Windows update agent are legit and I would recommend you all apply them to improve efficiency of the Windows update agent. Around 5-6 months ago a bug in the Windows update agent caused windows update scans to crash on 90% of machines in our enterprise environment resulting in none being able to be patched. We were not the only ones and these WUA releases are Microsoft's fix to the issue. It mostly affected 32-bit Win 7 clients running out of memory because of 32-bit limitations with memory addressing but the improvements in these updates do speed things up and improve scan efficiency for 64-bit clients as well.

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And we should take your word for it why?

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You can believe me or not I'm just trying to help clear up the confusion based on what I know to be the reason for these updates

If it helps, here's a link describing the original issue these updates are a result of:
Support Tip: ConfigMgr 2012 update scan fails and causes incorrect compliance status - The Official Configuration Manager Support Team Blog - Site Home - TechNet Blogs

Callender · Sep 11, 2015

groze said:
Anybody know a good free monitoring programs for windows 7 to see if it contacts Microsoft when not using Microsoft services?

Well I use ThreatCheck's ThreatStop to get a list of ip addresses that my machine has communicated with over any given period. Sometimes I leave ThreatStop running overnight just to see if my onboard security missed anything and if there are any suspicious ip addresses listed in the results.

The problem is - ThreatStop is no longer available from the manufacturer.

I'd also be interested to know of any similar software that's currently available - something you can leave running in the background that produces a log of all ip addresses communicated with.

UsernameIssues · Sep 11, 2015

Callender said:
groze said:

Anybody know a good free monitoring programs for windows 7 to see if it contacts Microsoft when not using Microsoft services?

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Well I use ThreatCheck's ThreatStop to get a list of ip addresses that my machine has communicated with over any given period. Sometimes I leave ThreatStop running overnight just to see if my onboard security missed anything and if there are any suspicious ip addresses listed in the results.

The problem is - ThreatStop is no longer available from the manufacturer.

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I'd also be interested to know of any similar software that's currently available - something you can leave running in the background that produces a log of all ip addresses communicated with.

TcpLogView - Creates TCP connections log

lucids · Sep 11, 2015

There are also huge perception and trust issues going on. With all that has been happening many people I know have just switched off updates completely. The point is that what MS says is happening isn't always the truth. Look at all the systems that have downloaded 6GB of windows 10 and have attempted to install it even when the user hasn't even reserved a copy. I've had this on the majority of my win7 systems before I removed the relevant KB's, and friends and colleagues have had exactly the same. The fact that this update has now switched from optional to important also muddys the water.
The rush to release these telemetry updates is proving to be a nightmare now to have to check what each KB is doing and wait for feedback from others on the web. This can only do harm to MS reputation.

@ThrashZone I believe it was KB3022345 that was the original update that screwed the system file checker so that was one that needed removal.

I like many others hadn't intentionally joined CEIP but found my task scheduler full of these tasks without my knowledge (now deleted).

Callender · Sep 11, 2015

UsernameIssues said:
groze said:

Anybody know a good free monitoring programs for windows 7 to see if it contacts Microsoft when not using Microsoft services?

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TcpLogView - Creates TCP connections log

TcpLogView - that's a new one for me, thanks. I have lot's of other software from the same manufacturer but TcpLogView is one that I had not heard of. I will give it a try.

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