Solved How to Install Windows 7 Over Windows 8 | Dual Boot

[boyans]

Also, if you set the bootmenupolicy to Standard on the Windows 7 bootloader,

Boot should fail (if set) as loader parameters are handed over to ntoskrnl.exe.
Win 7 kernel does NOT know about bootmenupolicy as this was introduced later for Win8.

 

[Saltgrass]

Also, if you set the bootmenupolicy to Standard on the Windows 7 bootloader,

Boot should fail (if set) as loader parameters are handed over to ntoskrnl.exe.
Win 7 kernel does NOT know about bootmenupolicy as this was introduced later for Win8.

So using the Windows 8 boot manager (bootmgr), would not make a difference?

 

[boyans]

Give it a try and you would know (try W7 loader, bootmenupolicy=0 and bootmenupolicy=1).
It has no meaning having W7 bootmgr on active if W8 is installed as W7 bootmgr cannot load W8.

 

[Saltgrass]

Give it a try and you would know (try W7 loader, bootmenupolicy=0 and bootmenupolicy=1).
It has no meaning having W7 bootmgr on active if W8 is installed as W7 bootmgr cannot load W8.

Did you ever wonder why I made the statement in the first place?

How many bootmgr files do you show on your system? This thread is about a very specific configuration.

 

[Evil Nemesis]

What's that HTML code ? in one of your posts on last page Saltgrass, and I have win8 in c drive and win7 in d drive can I use your command safely now ?

 

[Bare Foot Kid]

Give it a try and you would know (try W7 loader, bootmenupolicy=0 and bootmenupolicy=1).
It has no meaning having W7 bootmgr on active if W8 is installed as W7 bootmgr cannot load W8.

Hello Boyans.


I'm not trying to be hard to get along with, just curious, with Windows 8 on an Extended partition, you're saying it's still handling the boot in this case?

Microsoft Windows [Version 6.2.9200]
(c) 2012 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.
C:\Windows\system32>bcdedit
Windows Boot Manager
--------------------
identifier              {bootmgr}
device                  partition=D:
description             Windows Boot Manager
locale                  en-US
inherit                 {globalsettings}
default                 {default}
resumeobject            {6c8678be-ed4c-11e1-8e3f-b4aaa0e8f515}
displayorder            {ntldr}
                        {current}
                        {default}
toolsdisplayorder       {memdiag}
timeout                 30
Windows Legacy OS Loader
------------------------
identifier              {ntldr}
device                  partition=D:
path                    \ntldr
description             Windows XP Pro
Windows Boot Loader
-------------------
identifier              {current}
device                  partition=C:
path                    \Windows\system32\winload.exe
description             Windows 8 Pro
locale                  en-US
inherit                 {bootloadersettings}
recoverysequence        {6c8678c0-ed4c-11e1-8e3f-b4aaa0e8f515}
recoveryenabled         Yes
allowedinmemorysettings 0x15000075
osdevice                partition=C:
systemroot              \Windows
resumeobject            {6c8678be-ed4c-11e1-8e3f-b4aaa0e8f515}
nx                      OptIn
bootmenupolicy          Standard
Windows Boot Loader
-------------------
identifier              {default}
device                  partition=D:
path                    \Windows\system32\winload.exe
description             Windows 7 Ultimate
locale                  en-US
inherit                 {bootloadersettings}
recoverysequence        {6c8678ba-ed4c-11e1-8e3f-b4aaa0e8f515}
recoveryenabled         Yes
osdevice                partition=D:
systemroot              \Windows
resumeobject            {6c8678b8-ed4c-11e1-8e3f-b4aaa0e8f515}
nx                      OptIn
C:\Windows\system32>

 

[SIW2]

Win8 can display a text menu, or what you are calling the GUI menu.

Text menu is not "old". It is the best for multibooting - that is why it is there.

The GUI has big squares - for touch screens .

If you are multibooting, text menu is vastly better. If you only have a touchscreen - GUI is much easier to operate.

The drawback to the gui is that if you select anything apart from win8 - your machine will reboot.

 

[SIW2]

@Ted,

with Windows 8 on an Extended partition, you're saying it's still handling the boot in this case?

Yes, you are using win8 bootmgr.

 

[Bare Foot Kid]

@Ted,

with Windows 8 on an Extended partition, you're saying it's still handling the boot in this case?

Yes, you are using win8 bootmgr.

Thanks Simon!

 

[Saltgrass]

What's that HTML code ? in one of your posts on last page Saltgrass, and I have win8 in c drive and win7 in d drive can I use your command safely now ?

Yes, it is safe... and run it from within Windows 8 so it will use that BCD store.

It seems others cannot duplicate your situation. I seem to have no trouble duplicating it. Since you have confirmed the other suggestions, such as set Win 8 as default and have bootmenupolicy set as Standard, and it has not fixed your system, the Bcdboot command will work And I even get to keep the F8 options, but only from the text boot menu.

If you have doubts, use the bcdedit /export C:\TangoBCD.bcd so you will have the old version you can go back to if you were to feel the need.

 

[Evil Nemesis]

okay fine, just tried it, currently doing some work , will post back the result tonight.

 

[Saltgrass]

And I do agree with SWI2's comments about the GUI. I would not use it either, but what makes you happy is most important.

 

[Evil Nemesis]

heheheh , yup actually we've been forced to use Metro as Start Menu so why not Boot GUI, anyway I didn't notice anything bad in windows 8 so far as people were saying it will DOA

 

[Bare Foot Kid]

I'm not real happy with it but if you can't whip 'em join 'em eh! :shock:

 

[Evil Nemesis]

Thanks saltgrass your command works, but that GUI bootloader appears after win8's boot screen, is it normal ?

 

[Saltgrass]

Yes, it is booting into Windows 8 before it shows the boot menu. That was what SIW2 was referring to. To get into Win 7 from that boot menu, the system has to reboot, where is does not from a Text boot menu.

But we know now, if you want to get rid of the GUI, for some reason, and still have Win 8 as the default OS, you can remove the bootmenupolicy entry in the BCD Store and you will then see the Text boot menu.

Let us know how it goes with Win 8 ......

 

[Bare Foot Kid]

I've also used this to set the default boot-loader.

bcdedit /default {your identifier}
​

 

[Evil Nemesis]

But we know now, if you want to get rid of the GUI, for some reason, and still have Win 8 as the default OS, you can remove the bootmenupolicy entry in the BCD Store and you will then see the Text boot menu.

Let us know how it goes with Win 8 ......

well I think I will stick with the text boot loader, can you plz tell me how can I get that back , I didn't backup it earlier , my mistake.

 

[Bare Foot Kid]

I've also used this to set the default boot-loader.

bcdedit /default {your identifier}
​

Run this command from an elevated command window using the Windows 7 identifier to set Windows 7 as default, this tutorial is very helpful for reference.

BCDEDIT - How to Use


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Use these commands to create a backup of the bcd file.

   Warning

IMPORTANT: make a backup of your bcd file first. To do that, type:

bcdedit /export C:\SAVEDBCD

This will create a file c:\savebcd which is your boot entry backup.
If you mess up, you can always undo changes by:

bcdedit /import c:\savedbcd

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[Saltgrass]

You can do the opposite of the two things they suggested for getting the GUI to work.

Set Windows 7 as the default loader, or remove the bootmenupolicy from the BCD Store. Which means neither the Windows 7 or Windows 8 Bootloader will have the entry.