New Hard Drive and Windows 7 = slower?

[ignatzatsonic]

I owned a Samsung 2014N 200 gig drive and liked it very much. I saved the stats on it from HD Tune. I would guess it is representative of the original poster's old drive and can be used for comparison to the figures he quotes for the new WD drive:

Samsung 2014N

Transfer rate minimum 8.0
Transfer rate maximum 57.8
Average 47.7

Access time 15.5
Burst rate 79.8

 

[SquonkSC]

-I'm unsure what the Samsung HDD MB/sec, however, from the last run of HDTune, I can tell you the info on the WD Black. Min: 43.3 MB/Sec, Max: 103.7 MB/Sec, Average: 79.9 MB/Sec with Access Time: 12.6 ms, and Burst of 132.1 MB/Sec

79.9MB/sec, that is an excellent average. It's at the high end of the range.

12.6ms access time is a bit on the slow side, but shouldn't be really noticeable.

Samsung is about 8.9ms access time. That could explain for a tad of sluggishness on WD's part.

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But it could also be windows accessing the disk excessively.
Try to find out if some process or service is accessing the disk constantly.
-Unsure on how to find this information, but hopefully you can steer me that direction?

1. ctrl alt delete to go into taskmanager

2. go to the performance tab

3. at the bottom there's a button "source control" or something like that. (I'm on Dutch OS)

4. In source control click on "Disk" tab.

5. Go fiddle around with the different views to find out which processes are accessing the disk.

It looks a bit complicated at first, but you'll figure it out.

I will check back tomorrow.
4:15 am over here, going to bed.

Greetings

 

[se7ensmatrix121]

-I'm unsure what the Samsung HDD MB/sec, however, from the last run of HDTune, I can tell you the info on the WD Black. Min: 43.3 MB/Sec, Max: 103.7 MB/Sec, Average: 79.9 MB/Sec with Access Time: 12.6 ms, and Burst of 132.1 MB/Sec

79.9MB/sec, that is an excellent average. It's at the high end of the range.

12.6ms access time is a bit on the slow side, but shouldn't be really noticeable.

Samsung is about 8.9ms access time. That could explain for a tad of sluggishness on WD's part.

.

But it could also be windows accessing the disk excessively.
Try to find out if some process or service is accessing the disk constantly.
-Unsure on how to find this information, but hopefully you can steer me that direction?

1. ctrl alt delete to go into taskmanager

2. go to the performance tab

3. at the bottom there's a button "source control" or something like that. (I'm on Dutch OS)

4. In source control click on "Disk" tab.

5. Go fiddle around with the different views to find out which processes are accessing the disk.

It looks a bit complicated at first, but you'll figure it out.

I will check back tomorrow.
4:15 am over here, going to bed.

Greetings

Seems the only thing taking up the write on the HD is System at the moment. It juggles between 7,000 - 30,000 B/Sec (Averaging 18,000 B/Sec).

 

[SquonkSC]

Seems the only thing taking up the write on the HD is System at the moment. It juggles between 7,000 - 30,000 B/Sec (Averaging 18,000 B/Sec).

So we can rule excessive access out.

I suggest you start checking the disk for surface failures.
It could well be you have some poor sectors on the disk that need re-reading,
and that's what could cause the lag.

You might also consider installing a previous chipset driver, like one build before the last.
The latest isn't always the best. Sometimes new problems are introduced with new drivers.
It's also a way to rule it out as a cause.

Good luck

 

[se7ensmatrix121]

Well, i'm at a bit of a stand still. I made some progress with Photoshop today, it is no longer crashing, which I take as a good sign. Chipsets have no update from MSI or AMD/ATI. I had to adjust a few things with Photoshop to make it perform, such as adding some tweeks and a full update to insure I had everything current. Going to run WD's DLG on the hard drive and check for faults now.

Thanks to all for the help!

 

[Frostmourne]

The chipset is not your mobo manufacturer. It would be from Intel, AMD, or Nvidia.

 

[se7ensmatrix121]

The chipset is not your mobo manufacturer. It would be from Intel, AMD, or Nvidia.

I also asked where to find chipset drivers at, and noone was able to give me any help. I appreciate the responses that I'm getting, but if you are saying I need to do something and I say I'm not sure I know how, please help guide me in the right direction.

 

[nate42nd]

I will attempt this, however, I have a feeling it's going to be a losing battle due to the PCI-E x16 slot covering these two ports. I will report back from my phone if there is any update.

Hi se7ensmatrix121,

I'm sorry to disappoint you but there's no way in the world you are going to get 3Gbit/s
That is a theoretical maximum for the Sata II standard, but that applies to the controller, not the disks themselves.

3gbit/s = 384 Mbytes per second and there isn't a "platter" disk in the world that can go that fast.

Somewhere between 60 and 80 Mbyte/s is the max sustained throughput you can get with a single platter disk. And about 128Mbyte/s bursts for very short periods when the disk's cache is read instead of the platters.


Why do they make a 3Gbit/s (384Mbyte/s) standard while no disk can reach that, I hear you think.

Well, for starters the controller standard always has to be ahead of the disk speeds,
so the disks have some headroom, and to allow development of faster disks.
there's no point in making a disk faster than the controller can handle.

Having said that,

The Sata II standard is created with SSD disks in mind.
The newest SSD disks are getting very close to that theoretical maximum.
The fastest to date reads and writes at 260 Mbytes/s.

It won't be long before SSD breaks the 384Mb barrier.
Therefore Sata III is already on it's way, that will be 6Gbit/s (768Mb/s)

Soon SSD will become more affordable and platter disks will die a slowly disappear, just like the floppy disk.

I hope this explains it.

Our good friend Anand gave us a look at the new inteface and how it will perform with "normal" disks.

A little off topic but it's good info on this subject.

AnandTech: Seagate Barracuda XT 2TB: SATA 6Gb/s Performance Preview

 

[Frostmourne]

The chipset is not your mobo manufacturer. It would be from Intel, AMD, or Nvidia.

I also asked where to find chipset drivers at, and noone was able to give me any help. I appreciate the responses that I'm getting, but if you are saying I need to do something and I say I'm not sure I know how, please help guide me in the right direction.

What motherboard do you have? Type msinfo32.exe, then file export and upload that .txt file along with a Belarc Advisor report - all in a .zip file and I''ll point you in the right direction.

 

[se7ensmatrix121]

Here's the info you request. As mentioned in the first post, I have the MS-7388 Board from MSI (K9A2 CF Series), with an AMD Phenom 9750 Processor. This board uses the AMD 790X North Bridge, and a South Bridge 600.

 

[Frostmourne]

AMD only has Vista drivers for 32-bit - install them unless you have x64 in vista compatibility mode. You only need the southbridge chipset driver.

Drivers & Support | GAME.AMD.COM

Then, untick logitech setpoint from starting, and uninstall Ad-Aware. Use AVG Free instead. Also what is Nostromo?

 

[se7ensmatrix121]

AMD only has Vista drivers for 32-bit - install them unless you have x64 in vista compatibility mode. You only need the southbridge chipset driver.

Drivers & Support | GAME.AMD.COM

Then, untick logitech setpoint from starting, and uninstall Ad-Aware. Use AVG Free instead. Also what is Nostromo?

I start Setpoint because it goes to my mouse and keyboard when running games, same with Nostromo. I will look into AVG.

 

[Frostmourne]

Some drivers are listed as critical, so I would completely uninstall Setpoint. AVG is a better allrounder than Ad-Aware. Even Viewer also lists a number of problems with software - patches and cracks - have you modified any program?

 

[se7ensmatrix121]

Some drivers are listed as critical, so I would completely uninstall Setpoint. AVG is a better allrounder than Ad-Aware. Even Viewer also lists a number of problems with software - patches and cracks - have you modified any program?

I have tweeks made to a few programs to enable them to run faster, yes.

Which drivers are critical? This way I will know what to look for.

 

[Frostmourne]

The critical items can be fixed by:

1) Installing the chipset if you have x86.

2) Uninstall every last bit of setpoint

3) Run Windows Update

4) Switch security apps.

5) Uninstall any apps you've modified.

6) Run driver sweeper on your sound and video card drivers. The program supports realtek + nvidia or ati drivers.

Reboot after each step, except if you don't install any windows updates.

 

[se7ensmatrix121]

Ok. Thanks for your help.

 

[se7ensmatrix121]

Problem solved!

WD DLG came back with no issues, so after following Frost's suggestions on Chipset drivers and double checking Windows Update, I am back to running in top shape again with Photoshop. Thank you very much to all that helped.

 

[Frostmourne]

Excellent, report this thread as solved!

 

[se7ensmatrix121]

Silly question, I know...but how do I mark it as solved? Not finding any option for it.

 

[Frostmourne]

Choose the exclamation picture in one of the thread windows. The scale icon adds reputation.

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