Solved 16GB RAM - Acronis still using a pagefile?!

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I just upgraded from 8GB to 16GB RAM.
I have a 1M Page File set up on a secondary drive.
I use Acronis to do daily backups of my system.
I have a desktop Gadget that monitors CPU, Memory and Page File usage.
Memory usage has yet to hit 50% with all sorts of apps open at once.
For example, I run giants like Skyrim and other applications at the same time with no Page File usage. Zero. Nada.

Here's the question:

Can anyone explain to me in plain English why Acronis is the only program that still uses that Page File?

I don't get it...

TIA,
 

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Acronis (TrueImage?) probably uses the page file as temporary buffer space to compress the backup, or to restore it...
 

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Thanks for the response, Qdos.

Makes sense to me...
 

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The program only uses the superfetch addressing mechanism. That creates false hard faults that are immediately mapped to real RAM addresses. In reality your pagefile has never been used.
 

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whs:

I'm not sure I understand any part of what you just said :-)

FYI, I have SSD's installed and Superfetch disabled. Does what you said still apply?
Can I finally shut down the infamous pagefile?

TIA,
 

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It does not matter whether superfetch is active or not. It is still the same addressing mechanism. I would not completely eliminate the pagefile. Set it to 1 or 2 GBs.

Btw: it is not a good idea to disable superfetch (especially with so much RAM) - it will slow down your system.
 

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whs:
OK, I'll leave the pagefile alone.

Regarding SuperFetch: Everything I've read everywhere, including the manuals that came with my Intel SSDs, says to disable Defrag, Prefetch, and Superfetch. Presumably because of all the disk writes these utilities incur.

Even the Intel Toolbox and Windows itself will disable these functions by default when an SSD is detected.

Thanks for your input,
 

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CPU
AMD Phenom II X6 1600T
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GigaByte GZ-990FXA-UD3
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16GB PC3-10700 (1342MHz)
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ATI Radeon 5770 HD (x2) CrossFire
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On-board RealTek chipset
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3x Hanns-G 1920x1080 Monitors
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3x Hanns-G 1920x1080 Monitors
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Intel 25-V SSD 40GB: 218 MB/s AT: 0.1ms
Intel X-25M SSD 80GB: 230MB/s AT: 0.1ms
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DVD-ROM: Unknown
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There are too many sagas regarding the wear and tear from write operations on SSDs. Trust me, during the lifetime of your SSD that will play no role at all.

On the other hand, the caching that Superfetch does gives access to processes/programs directly from the cache in RAM. And that is still a LOT faster than the fastest SSD.
 

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OK, whs. You convinced me to at least give it a go for a few days. I'll enable SuperFetch.

You've got me curious now and I hope I see an improvement in the computer's responsiveness. That's always a plus.

If you are interested I can drop you a note with my results.

Thanks for your thoughts and help,
 

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Windows 7 Home Premium x64AMD Phenom II X6 1600T16GB PC3-10700 (1342MHz)ATI Radeon 5770 HD (x2) CrossFire
Computer Manufacturer/Model Number
OEM - Me
OS
Windows 7 Home Premium x64
CPU
AMD Phenom II X6 1600T
Motherboard
GigaByte GZ-990FXA-UD3
Memory
16GB PC3-10700 (1342MHz)
Graphics Card(s)
ATI Radeon 5770 HD (x2) CrossFire
Sound Card
On-board RealTek chipset
Monitor(s) Displays
3x Hanns-G 1920x1080 Monitors
Screen Resolution
3x Hanns-G 1920x1080 Monitors
Hard Drives
Intel 25-V SSD 40GB: 218 MB/s AT: 0.1ms
Intel X-25M SSD 80GB: 230MB/s AT: 0.1ms
Seagate 750GB: 133 MB/s AT: 13ms (perpendicular storage)
Buffalo HD-PCTU3 1TB External drive
PSU
OCZ Stealth X Stream 750W
Case
Cheap (unknown)
Cooling
Stock
Keyboard
HP USB
Mouse
LogiTech USB
Internet Speed
1.5 Mbps - Slow - At the tail-end of a rural network
Other Info
Printer: Epson Stylus C-84
Scanner: HP 3500C Flatbed
DVD-RW: Plextor
DVD-ROM: Unknown
WEI: 7.4
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